mediaFail - an epilogue.

(cross posted at Kickin it with CG and Clintonistas for Obama)

As some of you may know I have an ongoing series of blogs called mediaFail™.  In light of the growing collection, I thought an epilogue to the unraveling of the fourth estate in the US during this election cycle was necessary.

mediaFail™ has been around for some time (as seen in the build up and subsequent coverage of the Iraq war).  But came into plain view in the treatment of Hillary Clinton during the Democratic primary.

Here's another first: the press's unique push to get a competitive White House hopeful to drop out of the race. It's unprecedented.

Looking back through modern U.S. campaigns, there's simply no media model for so many members of the press to try to drive a competitive candidate from the field while the primary season is still unfolding.

Until this election cycle, journalists simply did not consider it to be their job to tell a contender when he or she should stop campaigning. That was always dictated by how much money the campaign still had in the bank, how many votes the candidate was still getting, and what very senior members of the candidate's own party were advising.

~snip~

No longer content to be observers of the campaign, journalists now see themselves as active players in the unfolding drama, and they show no hesitation trying to dictate the basics of the contest, like who should run and who should quit. It's as if journalists are auditioning for the role of the old party bosses.

It's a new brand of political commentary that leaves some veteran journalists perplexed. "The idea that it's your job to tell candidates when to get out, and really trying to control the whole process -- putting it in the hands of the journalists or the reporters or the columnists -- I find that to be new and different," Haynes Johnson told me last week. A Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, Johnson has covered more than a dozen presidential campaigns and is currently working on a book about the unfolding 2008 contest.

The media coverage of this election however has gone to place that would be comical if not for how dangerous it is.  Not only does the press literally think its part of the selection process but they are blaming bloggers for creating the 'gotcha' politics that have permeated the media coverage.  

Um okay.  

Maybe Alter's undies are in a twist because of the rise of the Commentocracy, with bloggers actually gaining some recognition for their importance in the election?

Which leads us to the latest edition of mediaFail™:  Nagourney edition.  

In a new article in The New Republic, Gabriel Sherman explains how the media love affair is over with Obama due to a variety of factors.  Particularly the campaign's arrogance.  But what's telling about the article is that the arrogance is perceived to be directed at.....

THE PRESS.

"I've never had an experience like this, with this campaign or others. I thought they crossed the line. If you have a problem with a story I write, call me first. I'm a big boy. I can handle it. But they never called. They attacked me like I'm a political opponent." -- New York Times reporter Adam Nagourney, on how the Obama campaign handles negative stories.

DUH???

This is more about media arrogance and unleashed elitism than about a candidate.  And I read a comment that perfectly summed up a message we should all be sending to the press.

How 'bout the media reports news, and doesn't try to get laid by the candidates?



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media=total and utter failure. (2.00 / 9)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 01:04:30 AM EST

Rec'd! (2.00 / 8)

but they are blaming bloggers for creating the 'gotcha' politics that have permeated the media coverage.

It's my fault. I did it. I personally created "gotcha" politics. Fairytale-gate, fingergate, bittergate, NIG-gate and "as far as I know"-gate were all my ideas. Hopefully the ever-perfect MSM will forgive my trasgresions.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 01:15:10 AM EST
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*transgressions (2.00 / 9)

Damn, there I go with yet another mistake. Spelling is hard. I think I'll stick to creating -gates and faux controversies.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 01:17:28 AM EST
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ZOMG!!! (2.00 / 7)

"as far as I know"-gate WAS YOUR IDEA!!!!

tsk tsk tsk ;)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 01:18:36 AM EST
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Re: ZOMG!!! (2.00 / 6)

It was my idea... as far as I know.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 01:26:58 AM EST
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Re: ZOMG!!! (2.00 / 2)

"-gate"'ism's are the 2nd corollary to Godwin's Law ya know ;p


by zerosumgame on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 12:19:13 PM EST
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I guess... (2.00 / 4)

It's my fault, too. Who knew we were to blame for the entire collapse of credibility for the corporate media? ;-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:14:21 AM EST
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Re: Rec'd! (2.00 / 2)

I'm still bitter-gate that you never-gate got around to writing-gate a gate-gate diary-gate.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:41:54 AM EST
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Hey, I'm TOTALLY still writing that diary. (none / 0)

Trust me, those gates are too good not to write a diary about.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 09:17:22 AM EST
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Brava! (2.00 / 4)

Another CG masterpiece! :-D


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:15:31 AM EST
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danka. (2.00 / 3)

bit slow here tonight or is it me?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:25:15 AM EST
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Yeah, slow.... What time is it? (2.00 / 3)

I've been in the sauce and can't see straight, it's either 1 or 2 AM CST. Maybe people are still out partying or passed out from too much merrymaking?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:36:21 AM EST
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lol. (2.00 / 3)

its 2:30 est.  it cracks me up that you can blog whilst putting them back.  i certainly have a hard enough typing as it is....


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:40:46 AM EST
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Wine and Xanax.... (2.00 / 4)

Two of humankind's greatest creations. They make for an excellent cocktail. I think I'm more coherent when I'm wasted, actually. I certainly drive better that way. ;)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:43:53 AM EST
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Re: Wine and Xanax.... (2.00 / 4)

I don't want to come of the wrong way (you know I love ya). But I'm giving you some unsolicited advice (because I care). I would advise you against the delicious cocktail if you're going to be driving. It's certainly trippy (what you can remember anyways) but it slows motor skills practically a standstill.

Not a good combination for driving that makes.

I've seen my fair share of tragedies and it only takes a split second for your life to change. I really really really care about  you so please don't take this the wrong way. ; )


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:58:14 AM EST
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Oh, no worries. (2.00 / 3)

I had another more sobering substance mixed in there as well, which made driving a great deal easier. I'm out of that substance now, so I'm compensating with Xanax. I'm really a cautious driver with a high tolerance for alcohol. I always know when I'm not fit to drive, and I crash at a friend's place.

I'm flattered by and appreciative of you concern, however. *hugs*


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:08:00 AM EST
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Re: Oh, no worries. (2.00 / 4)

oh you were serious?  im worried too - please - don't do it.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:10:33 AM EST
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Oh, everyone's concern is sweet... (2.00 / 4)

I promise I'm careful. There's a reason I've never had a wreck. If I know I can't drive, I definitely don't. I'm used to crashing at friends' places.

Do you think BN would call you and spaceman concern trolls now? You do seem pretty "concerned". ;)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 03:34:04 AM EST
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You're an idiot if you drink and drive - PERIOD! (none / 0)


by suzieg on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:52:30 AM EST
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Thanks, dad. n/t (none / 0)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 09:15:08 AM EST
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Please listen to what spaceman said... (2.00 / 4)

He is a real doc and would know better...life is too short..


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:34:33 PM EST
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Thanks, louis (can I call you louis?) (2.00 / 2)

I'm always cautious, but I'll take even more care. Wouldn't want to get myself (or others) killed, you know. I'd miss you guys. I bet the only blogs they have in hell are StormFront and FreeRepublic.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:39:49 PM EST
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louis is fine...Please take care of yourself... (2.00 / 3)

I had friends at school whose car got smashed by drunk truck driver driving the wrong way..It's a such sad fact...


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:48:57 PM EST
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I know, it's awful. (2.00 / 1)

One of my friends lost a sister that way -- drunk driver hit her.

I've definitely never been the type to stumble drunkenly to the car and climb behind the wheel. I know where to draw the line. In fact, I end up designated driver half the time because I'm the only one who seems to know when to stop drinking. I HATE being DD but if it means I won't have to fear for my life in the back of one of my drunk friends' cars, I'm willing to put up with it.

By the way, have you heard there's research which shows that people drive better after one or two drinks? It isn't because the alcohol itself helps -- it's because people are more watchful and careful (on the lookout for cops and stuff). Funny stuff!


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:12:53 PM EST
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Re: I know, it's awful. (2.00 / 3)

Not gonna browbeat ya anymore....I think that others got the point across quite well.

I will, however, share a small piece of my personal life with you (all of you). In 1983 my older brother was killed by drunk driver. It happened before MADD had the national recognition that it has today....and, at the time, there really was not much in the way of support groups for family members. It tore my family apart in such a way that, to this day, we have not truly healed.

A momentary lapse of judgment by the driver (who was only a few years older than my 14 year old brother)....a lifetime of pain, loss, sorrow and, sadly, dysfunction, for my family.

When it comes to drinking and driving...there is never an excuse.


by Kysen on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:37:39 PM EST
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I'm so sorry for you and your family.... (2.00 / 2)

I can't imagine how horrible it must be. Lives can be destroyed or ruined in an instant. My heart goes out to all of you.

I promise I never get behind the wheel unless I'm fully confident in ability to maneuver the car and am satisfied with my reaction time. I don't have five drinks and then hop in the car.

In fact -- though I've never tested myself with a breathalizer -- I'd say I almost never drive over the legal limit. My bad habit isn't driving when I'm drunk off my ass -- it's driving with an open container. I grew up with everyone in my family doing it, and I didn't even know it was illegal until I was 19.

And though this isn't an excuse, if I seem more out of sorts and more prone to excess this week, it relates to the subject of my previous diary (not the one I wrote today). She died approximately 36 hours after I posted that diary, and I have odd ways of dealing with such things. I don't cry like normal people, but I act out in other ways.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:55:01 PM EST
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Re: I'm so sorry for you and your family.... (2.00 / 2)

Check your email.  ;)


by Kysen on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:51:09 PM EST
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Re: mediaFail - an epilogue. (2.00 / 2)

mediaFail<sup>TM</sup>


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:50:59 AM EST

Re: mediaFail - an epilogue. (2.00 / 2)

????

;)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:54:28 AM EST
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Re: mediaFail - an epilogue. (2.00 / 3)

I did the copy/paste thing with your awsome logo and it did that instead.

Media = Fail.

Another great piece of writing.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 02:59:34 AM EST
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Interesting diary. (2.00 / 2)

Totally agree with the media failure here--and then some--except for one thing (which I'll get to in a moment).

The media's totally twisted in this country...I think it started sometime in the mid-90's (if I had to pick a particular series of events which coincided with a noticeable increase in the velocity of their downhill trajectory, it was sometime around 1994, when Newt was just reaching the height of his power)...picked up more downhill velocity around the Monica Lewinsky story which then segued into the Clinton impeachment story...and it just took off over the past eight years.

IMHO, a lot of this had to do with Roger Ailes transition from neocon political kingmaker to newswhore-in-chief, first at MSNBC, then at Fox.

Now, back to the diary...I have one difference of opinion with the diarist...who also happens to be just about one of my all-time favorite bloggers in all of blogdom...along with a couple of others posting here...and you're gonna' get pissed off at this one....because I rarely, ever, almost never disagree with a thing this diarist says...EVER!...but....Nagourney's comments are symptomatic of the mindset of the media, itself....and he happens to be, perhaps, one of the very best old-school news people in this country right now, whether you like him or not...and there's a lot of truth to what he's saying...but it's so conflated with the conflicting reality that if it looks like Obama's pulling away from McSame...then the media will, inevitably, do what it can to "navigate" it back to being a horse race....because...(surprise) that's what's best for the media, right!?!?!?

Whip me...beat me...but I love y'all anyway...


by bobswern on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:15:58 AM EST

And, having been there...and done that... (2.00 / 2)

...in old-school political media parlance...back in the day...and often today, too...if you were pissed-off at someone in the fourth estate for something they wrote or said...as a diligent press secretary...or communications director...you simply called the holier-than-thou member of the media up and dogged the shit out of them, "explaing" in no uncertain terms why they needed to remove their head from their ass...so, that's what Nagourney's all bent out of shape about...and I do understand that, and understand why he was a bit upset. Empathizing with Nagourney, but concurrently in awe (because I am both a lifelong student of this as well as an over-the-hill player in this game) of Obama's command of the media dialogue/message this year--even moreso now that Hillary's no longer the primary target of convenience--I do think Axelrod and Co. DO need to readjust a bit in coming weeks...because it IS in the media's best interests (especially if Obama starts really running away with it, like he's already doing now, but even moreso) to clip Obama's wings and keep this as a horse race, reiterating what I said, immediately, above...


by bobswern on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:28:14 AM EST
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i mostly agree with you too bob. (2.00 / 2)

and your point is fair.  however - i am sure you would admit that the press is out of control in its coverage no?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:52:54 AM EST
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With every passing month... (2.00 / 2)

...most of the so-called press in this country have devolved into the total whores that most of them now even acknowledge on-air that they are (or that their colleagues feel they--others--are). They've been total whores for decades...Leslie Stahl, making the move from the Nixon White House to 60 Minutes in the early and late 70's, respectively, comes to mind...as do many others...as being at the brunt of colleague's slurs.

This is/was also part of the evolved culture of "The Candidate," "Network" and "Wag the Dog," in chronological order...of David Garth (How many people reading this have even heard of this guy's name, LOL!) and Roger Ailes.

With every cycle, the press gets more and more unprofessional and out of control. What was once considered unethical or outrageous behavior has now evolved into open practice, acceptable posturing, and standard operating procedure.

Whatever it takes to obtain the greatest audience/market share is "good." Back in the day, people at least made a point of paying lip service to making some semblance of an unbiased effort when it came to reporting the news.

That's changed...over the past decade or two...markedly so...to the point where we're in an election cycle where people like Jack Cafferty can blurt out legitimate comments like what he said the other day on CNN (I'm paraphrasing, something to the effect of): 'The media doesn't like reporting about McCain (and Clinton, inferred). They're old news. Everyone knows him (them). People like reporting about Obama. He's new. He's a relative unknown. He's exciting. It's in the media's best interests to focus on Obama.'

(NOTE: Cafferty did NOT say this, exactly...but I believe it's a pretty fair representation of what he did say the other night...you can probably find  it in a transcript over at CNN.)

So, yes...the media's waaaaay over the top...and they have been for quite some time....just seems to get worse with every election, IMHO.


by bobswern on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:39:25 AM EST
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Oh jeez... (none / 0)

I know there are people that agree with this whole Hillary-as-victim-of-liberal-media conspiracy.  But I had hoped that they would get over it by now.

There are differences of fact here that can't be discussed reasonably.  The point at which Hillary's campaign became untenable and more symbolic than serious is one that we will have to disagree on.  Many of us were disappointed that the media narrative didn't change after Texas/Ohio, when it became apparent that Hillary did not get the enormous blow-out that she needed.  But, okay, we needed some more time to let that settle in.  However, because of the nature of the primary schedules, that time became slow-motion after TX/OH.  Many of us in the blogosphere, like me, that were for Obama were eagerly anticipating the point at which we would have a nominee and the charged negative atmospherics would change and we could begin to rally around a winner.

Some in the media (Andrea Mitchell, as I recall) explained the reluctance of some in the media to call the race, saying it was because both Clintons had survived seeming death-blows before:  Bill with impeachment, Hillary in New Hampshire, and more.  But that reluctance of some doesn't mean that the first suggestions, by others, that the Hillary campaign was continuing on despite overwhelming numbers.

So, we have two different versions of reality, the one fostered by those angry over Hillary's loss and her treatment, as they perceive it, by those in the media that did not treat her as a viable candidate towards the end.  The fact that she lost credibility and respect in the media as it dragged on has been twisted into a grand conspiracy against either Hillary or Bill or the REAL liberals or all women.

Even Jon Stewart named his nightly coverage of the last three months of the campaign, The Bataan Death March to The Whitehouse.

Since we live in such different realities, things like the mediaFail series and MediaMatters various spins on the failure of the Clinton campaign work essentially as a closed echo chamber, reinforcing the beliefs of those few who feel persecuted.  They were robbed somehow, and they need to know whose fault it is, even if that blame falls on important liberal voices in the media and gives a total skate to voices like those of Fox News and various Clinton surrogates I won't name or properly characterize simply to avoid making this go further off the rails.


by Dumbo on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:31:43 AM EST

the primary is over dumbo. (2.00 / 3)

and the quote taken from media matters furthers the point that the media is playing an unprecedented role in this election.  

just like other groups need to move forward - it would appear you do too.  either that - or reread the diary.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:44:07 AM EST
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You're putting a lot of words into... (2.00 / 1)

...a lot of people's mouths here, and projecting them on the person that wrote this diary and others commenting on it.

IMHO, that makes it pointless to maintain discourse with you about this.

There are some historical facts here about this campaign that dictate a few basic statements of truth...with one of them being...

This was one of the--if not THE--closest Party primaries in history. And, it represents the first time a race this close MAY not even be allowed to play out in a totally symbolic vote on the convention floor.

Now...do NOT assume I think that's a bad thing. The truth is, I don't know if it's good or bad. I'm merely stating a historical fact.

It represents a clear departure from the past. From history. And, please don't compare it to other election cycles where the race within the party was nowhere near as close as it was this year.

But, again, I don't (honestly) know if not having a roll call vote is a bad thing. But, also again, if anything factual may be said here, it's that it would represent a departure from year's past, certainly when the primary was even fairly as close as it was this year.

Folks with a sense of history--folks like Nagourney--are having a hard time putting up with these "departures" from protocol...and I empathize with that.

Is it bad? Is it good? Well, I'm not going to waste time bloviating with feigned indignance one way or the other. But, both represent departures (or at least an evolutionary milestone) in etiquette, if nothing else.

Up until this year:

1.) If there was a really close race in a primary, it almost ALWAYS culminated in floor roll call vote at the convention, out of respect for the loser, if nothing else.

2.) If you were running press and/or communications for a candidate, and you were pissed at something a reporter/columist/editor did or said, you called them up and read them the riot act. You did NOT make THEM the story...certainly not without at least having the decency to give them royal tons of shit over the phone or to their face first, in any event.

So, yeah, it does represent a "CHANGE..."

...just not exactly the type of "change" people think about when they normally hear that word associated with a candidate, however.


by bobswern on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 04:49:06 AM EST

I remember Margaret Carlson's post mortem of the (2.00 / 1)

Gore candidacy where she openly admitted that she and her colleagues all wanted to be on Bush's plane, where they were treated like royalty: imported beers/wine, lobster ravioli, first run movies, games, etc. that it was just a party all of the time, while on Gore's plane they were getting stale sandwiches and warm domestic beer and boring policy papers but most of all it was so much more fun trying to catch Gore in an exageration.

These people are whores, who can be bought easily and worse, have extremely fragile egos. Obama is making a great mistake in his changed treatment - they will rebel because they know it's thanks to them he's where he is today. They can turn on a dime and punish him for their perceived ungratefulness from him. The word arrogance is croping up more and more in their reporting. Just ask the Clintons, who, when they first came in the White House started to restrict their access, it was down hill all the way.


by suzieg on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:46:59 AM EST

Re: I remember Margaret Carlson's post mortem of t (2.00 / 1)

i don't disagree with most of your points.  however - its is not the press' job to pick favourites' and obama should not have not to - just like clinton shouldn't have had too - my 2 cents.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 12:49:54 PM EST
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Re: mediaFail - an epilogue. (none / 0)

You could just as easily marshal evidence and argue that the media kept the Hillary campaign alive long after it was apparent that she had no chance of securing the nomination.

Was she mistreated by some in the media like Chris Matthews?  Unquestionably.

Was it appropriate for the media to address the issue of why she was remaining in the race, and employing destructive campaign tactics, long after it was evident that she could not win the nomination?  Equally unquestionably.


by DaveG on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:40:05 AM EST

Re: mediaFail - an epilogue. (none / 0)

see my comment above to dumbo.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:49:33 AM EST
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Re: mediaFail - an epilogue. (none / 0)

Apparent that she could not win the nomination to whom?


by Mayor McCheese on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 12:50:23 PM EST
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contributions tell the truth (2.00 / 1)

The media are biased and most people know it. They try to hide it by not allowing their staff to contribute to politicians so that no one can check, but some reporters are freelancers, don't care about the rule, etc. and they do contribute. RealClearPolitics found...

An analysis of federal records shows that the amount of money journalists contributed so far this election cycle favors Democrats by a 15:1 ratio

An even greater disparity, 20-to-1, exists between the number of journalists who donated to Barack Obama and John McCain.
Searches for other newsroom categories (reporters, correspondents, news

In terms of money, $279,266 went to Dems, $20,709 to Republicans, a 14-to-1 ratio.

Big Media are centered in some of the bluest of blue parts of the country, it is highly likely that the media elite reflect the same, or an even greater, liberal bias.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles .aspx?id=301702713742569

Without these figures I can tell the media prefer a candidate. They hide information that could harm the candidate they prefer and promote, promote, promote that candidate. And they say bad stuff about a candidate they don't like even when that candidate didn't do anything wrong they pretend the candidate did something wrong. These people are in a position to shape public opinion and have a lot of power so they should use it fairly.


by QuestionMark on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 01:44:49 PM EST

Re: mediaFail - an epilogue. (2.00 / 1)

A very thoughtful and insightful critique of the 4th estate.  Well done, CG!

~DZ


-- Dizzy
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by DizzyQueen on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:09:33 PM EST


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